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  • "The Coat Hanger Caucus": Almost 1/2 Of Senators Support Abortion Ban

    by: Kyle Michaelis

    Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 23:42:11 PM CST


    There's no indication that anything so drastic will be proposed in the 2009 session of the Legislature, but the latest Associated Press survey reveals that almost half of our State Senators believe that abortion should be illegal in Nebraska.

    The APs question makes exceptions to save the life of the mother and in cases of rape and incest.  23 of our 49 senators said they agreed with such a ban - 47% of the body.  Meanwhile, only 4 senators declared their outright opposition to this proposal.  This reveals a startling extremism on this issue in the Legislature as a whole.

    Again, there's no indication that a ban of this sort is being proposed in Nebraska.  When put before South Dakota voters in the 2008 election, a ban almost identical to this was soundly defeated by 10 points in a popular vote - suggesting that our current legislators may be more concerned with scoring points with powerful anti-abortion special interest groups rather than representing the will of the people.

    It's not entirely clear how many State Senators would support an abortion ban without the exceptions named in the APs survey, but at least four senators said abortion should be illegal under any and all circumstances in Nebraska Right To Life's survey of the 2008 candidates.

    This "Coat Hanger Caucus" includes Tony Fulton of LD 29, Beau McCoy of LD 39, Ken Schilz of LD 47, and Colby Coash of LD 27.  Today's AP report adds Cap Dierks of LD 40 to their number as he declares, "The state should prohibit all abortions, period." And, there are almost certainly others in the 2006 class of senators who would endorse this extremist position.

    Of course, even the ban proposed with exceptions for the life of the mother and cases of rape and incest would clearly run foul of long-established doctrine set by the U.S. Supreme Court.  One can only assume the unlikely passage of such legislation would primarily represent an effort to challenge and overturn Roe vs. Wade and other related decisions.

    In the past, it's also been suggested that a ban could be presented in latent terms - only taking effect upon reversal of the precedents by the Supreme Court that have made abortion legal for the last three and a half decades.

    Believe it or not, I'm not an ideologue on this issue in any traditional sense.  Personally, I respect the complexities of the abortion debate.  But, it's because those issues are so complex and so sweeping that I find the notion absolutely preposterous that we should have different abortion laws from one state to the next.

    The right to life is damn well an issue of constitutional concern that can not be interpreted to mean different things in one America. The same must be said of the right to privacy and the right to make decisions over ones own body.  These are fundamental questions on which there may always be room for thoughtful disagreement but on which a united people must ultimately share a common approach.

    Reasonable people can disagree upon the particulars of abortion's morality.  In time, an evolving democracy might even come to a different balancing of the essential but competing liberties defined by this issue.  However, there's no place for the Nebraska Legislature in that debate.

    Our state senators are welcome to their opinions and their philosophies, but they must resist the urge to exploit this divisive issue for cheap political gain - as so many have done in the past and so many others will no doubt continue to do in the future.  23 State Senators may personally believe whatever they like about abortion, but trying to push those beliefs through public policy is not just a bad idea but would also be bad government.

    Kyle Michaelis :: "The Coat Hanger Caucus": Almost 1/2 Of Senators Support Abortion Ban
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    23? Try 39. (0.00 / 0)
    In addition to the AP's list (Adams, Carlson, Coash, Cornett, Flood, Fulton, Gay, Gloor, Hadley, Hansen, Harms, Heidemann, Janssen, Karpisek, Langemeier, McCoy, Nelson, Pankonin, Pirsch, Schilz, Stuthman, Utter, Wightman), the following Senators were listed on the 2006 or 2008 Nebraska Right to Life general election survey as "pro-life incumbent, did not respond to survey" or responded "Y" to one of the first three questions indicating that they want to ban most abortions (in all cases, exceptions to save the life of the mother, exceptions for rape and incest respectively):

    Friend, Lathrop, Ashford, Wallman, Dubas, Dierks, Christensen, Price, Mello, Nordquist, Giese, Lautenbaugh, Pahls, Sullivan, Fischer, Louden.

    I count a total of 39 Senators, including 8 Democrats, in these lists. So, not only is there overwhelming support for an abortion ban in the Unicameral, the pro-choice caucus only barely comprises a majority of Democrats.

    And Kyle, since you're admittedly not an ideologue on this issue, can we drop the ideologuish rhetoric with the "Coat Hanger Caucus"? It's cute and provocative, but I actually think it undermines the complex nature of the abortion debate.  


    Great, (0.00 / 0)
    I'm sure that you and the guy who drives the trucks with the pictures of dead fetuses on them could go off somewhere and have a really useful conversation.

    [ Parent ]
    If I were anything like that guy... (0.00 / 0)
    I would have posted the photo directly on the site (or better yet, enlarged it, posted it on placard and shoved it in the faces of scared women as they entered their doctor's offices.) instead of just linking to it.  Real laws have real consequences and this is one of them.  

    [ Parent ]
    Administrative Note (0.00 / 0)
    Future links of this sort will not be tolerated at NNN, and the actual posting of any obscene photos within the comments or diaries would be grounds for banning you from this site.

    A picture may speak a thousand words, but - if it's going to be offensive to other readers - I'm advising you to write the thousand words out of respect for everyone else in the NNN community.


    [ Parent ]
    The photo is not obscene. (1.00 / 1)
    The reason for her death is.  That you cannot differentiate between the two reflects very poorly on you.  Real life is sometimes ugly.  Sorry about that.

    Just for future reference, so I have some idea what it is you consider obscene, please let me know which of the following photos you think are obscene.

    A

    B

    C

    D

    E

    I encourage everyone else to play along as well. I'm genuinely curious.


    [ Parent ]
    I'm not playing your stupid game (4.00 / 1)
    and I'm not getting into a debate with you over what is or isn't obscene.  If you'd show some respect for readers and at least caution them about the content of a link, I'd give you a lot more latitude.  But, if you can't contribute anything more than shock value to a discussion, your comments will be deleted.  It's quite simple actually.

    [ Parent ]
    Kyle... (0.00 / 0)
    that photo is very well known and has been published many times, both on the internet and in print.  I had no way of knowing you or anyone else would be so offended.

    Some time ago, I wrote a heartfelt diary on a topic I care deeply about.  Your response to that diary was, without adding anything substantive to the discussion, to call me shallow and a hypocrite and to question my credibility.  Before you lecture me on respecting other readers, I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself.  


    [ Parent ]
    Darwin (0.00 / 0)
    Seriously, grow up.

    [ Parent ]
    Ramen... (0.00 / 0)
    The photo is of Gerri Santoro.  It was taken by police after her body was found by a motel room maid. It was first published in 1973 in Ms. magazine and demonstrates the real life consequences of flawed social policy.

    In 1963 Santoro, mother of 2, divorced her husband because of physical abuse.  She later began an affair with a married man and became pregnant.  When she found her abusive husband was coming to visit his daughters, she was afraid he would kill her.  She and her lover decided to perform a self-induced abortion, illegal at the time. When she began to hemorrhage, her lover fled.  It demonstrates the real life consequences of flawed social policy.

    I would link you to her Wikipedia page, but it contains the offending image(unpixelated) and Kyle has threatened to ban me for it.

    Perhaps it is time that you grew up.  


    [ Parent ]
    Of course! (0.00 / 0)
    I forgot that part of growing up involves wanting to look at, or post gory images that could possibly offend or disturb others. How utterly ridiculous.

    [ Parent ]
    Gross (0.00 / 0)
    While I appreciate Darwin´s point on what is determined to be obscene or not, I don´t think posting that link was a wise choice of action. ´Shock and awe´ politics only are effective if you intend to scare people into believing that you are right and that they should trust you as opposed to the alternative.  I wish people could see right through it sometimes but I´m not fooled by your shenanigans.  

    I would perfer if Kyle would delete the link.


    [ Parent ]
    Re: "Coat Hanger Caucus" (4.00 / 1)
    You are wrong to assume those other 16 senators would immediately support legislation banning abortion in Nebraska.  Although they may oppose abortion, that hardly means they'd support the hypothetical state-specific legislation proposed by the AP.  At least, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    By the way, I don't find anything "cute" about the Coat Hanger Caucus.  That "provocative" label may undermine my credibility with certain audiences, but it no more undermines the complexity of this debate than the shallow positions of so many of our local politicians.


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    This is scary (0.00 / 0)
    I live in Coash's district and am still angry and disgusted that he got elected. In his lit he claimed more than once to be the "progressive" candidate, clearly that was a lie. I'm disappointed in Dan Marvin for running such a bad campaign, and I sincerely hope someone runs against that joker Coash in the next election. Another thing I just love is that the five senators who think abortion should be illegal under any circumstance are all men, imagine that. Of course they wouldn't know what it's like to be raped and have to bear that child, or be the victim of incest. By the way, Coat hanger Caucus fits perfectly, I mean that's what these men want right...women to revert back to back alley, coat hanger abortions?  

    Let's get real (0.00 / 0)
    First of, "coat hanger" is what was used in the years before legalization. It's a reality.

    Another reality: Abortion has been around as long as there has been written history. The Chinese had methods in writings as far back as 5000 years ago. Egyptians wrote about methods, herbs, etc. Hippocrates (of the Hippocratic Oath) assisted with and advised on abortions.

    To ban is to make women criminals. There is no way around that. The best way to approach the issue is to find way to reduce and naturally eliminate abortions, but keep it safe and legal so there is no further death, or harm. Otherwise, it's back to the coat hangers.

    And I need to add this bit of challenge: Those who are far making abortion illegal, should be prepared to ban invitro fertization, and to adopt, several of the children that are born and given up at birth.  


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